OHE July 11, 1997

Collette sends in the following remarks and queries:
Okay, these last few questions and that's it, I promise. I just went to the USGS in Menlo Park (Western Division) and got several 7.5' topo maps of Hawaii. My goal is to get the whole island of Oahu so I can keep up my armchair hiking adventures with you all!! It's funny, that hike, Puu Piei, is what I think I did with a friend about six years ago, and I can remember going through that same back and forth debating with myself and cursing my cowardice near the top. I had almost forgotten about that. Here are my questions:

1) Has anyone run into any bad situations (being inadvertently shot at?!) with hunters while hiking? Specifically, I'm thinking about an upcoming trip to Kauai. wondering if this is ever a problem...

Dayle Turner replied:

Have encountered hunters quite often when hiking on Oahu. Had a problem only once. While coming down from the Waianae Kai trail, I was charged by a pack of hunting dogs. Instinctively, I yelled out, hoping to startle the dogs into stopping their charge and moreso trying to get the attention of the hunter they belonged to. Turns out the dude who owned the dogs was only a few strides behind his angry pack, and he was equally angry, specifically that I had yelled at his mutts.

"Eh, no yell at my **cking dogs, brah! You goin' mak'em crazy."

Well, the damn dogs were already crazy before I uttered a peep. But seeing that this guy was agitated, was toting a deadly looking rifle, and could have set his pack of pooches on me with a wave of his arm, I was in no position to argue or protest.

Lesson: When unarmed and in an isolated mountain locale, never argue with an angry, gun-carrying man who has a pack of vicious dogs with him.

Turns out he had been searching for one of his dogs and was pissed off that he couldn't find it. I apologized for yelling (even though I think I was justified), told him that I hadn't seen his dog (nor any dog), and calmed him down a bit by offering to help search.

"Nah, I get 'em," was all he said.

Off I went, safe and sound.

BTW, one reason I always wear an orange t-shirt is so that hunters will easily spot me and not mistake me for game (and hence not shoot me).

Grant Tokumi adds this note about encounters with hunters:

Couple times hile camping at Waimano Pool, we past by some hunters and dogs on the trail, but to me, it was not a bad situation at all. The dogs we met were really trained. They knew not to attack us, even though those dogs looked like they wanted to kick some ass. Those hunters got full control.

And one time, a hunter came pass our campsite with a pig on its back (dead of course). He was telling us how he was out hunting (started from Waimano Ridge), and his dogs cornered a pig far away. I guess the dogs bark when they have the pig or something like that. Anyways, another hunter (separate group) heard the barks, came to the aid of the dogs and shot the pig. The hunters didn't know who's dogs they were, so they was going to just take the pig, but the 2 hunting groups ran into each other. Since it was the other guys dogs that spotted the pig, the hunter that shot the pig handed the pig over to the hunter who's dogs cornered the pig.

Hmm... did that make any sense at all? hehehe. Well, the guy with his dogs were on his way back to the car, which was at the next ridge over with a bleeding, gutted, tick infested, 60 pound pig on his back and decided to take a break at our campsite so that we could all take a good look at that pig, and he could tell us his story. And those dogs who just hours before was tearing the life out of that pig, was now just cruising and relaxing on the grass like the dog next door. I was impressed. --Grant

2) Anyone ever hike the "Blue Hole" in Kauai? What was it like? Is it do-able in a day?

3) What is the best way into Kilohana Crater? (Also on Kauai) I know that it's officially closed but that signs are routinely ignored.

4) Finally, What is it about Stuart Ball's first book of Oahu trails that makes it so superior to his second (or following) book? any way to get a copy of this first edition? Does he write a guide to Kauai's trails?

Wing Ng responds about Ball's books:

Stuart's "first" book is about hiking on Oahu, while his second book is about backpacking on _all_ the islands.

Most of the "exciting" treks are in the first book, plus most ? of us living on the island of Oahu, and so those trails get talked about more.

Dayle Turner adds more about the book question:

Ball's second book is titled "Backpacker's Guide to Hawaii" and features multi-day backpack trips on Hawaii, Maui, Oahu, and Kauai. His first book, "Hikers Guide to Oahu" strictly deals with day hikes. A revised edition of this is in the works. Wing may have some inside scoops about this. Ball is supposedly working on a book on day hikes for other islands, akin to "Hikers Guide...". When this will come out remains to be seen.

Both books are available at local bookstores, or for folks on the mainland and elsewhere can be ordered at this URL:


ok, no more pesky questions, I promise. Thanks once again for all your help. --collette
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